#58: With Brian Klaas, Julia Azari, Steven Brams
Brian Klaas’ take is closest to the mark in my view. With more space, he might offer an explanation of why the MAGA crowd is so devoted to Trump. Could it be that he gave them a voice they did not have before? After all, MAGA-like people have always been around, but they were largely excluded from the political conversation. it is not about policy but about being seen.